網友討論：加州是一個在衰落的州嗎?_風聞

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評論原創翻譯：

Is California a declining state?

網友討論：加州是一個在衰落的州嗎?

Mark Green

Mark in the Bay Area of California. So I will speak mostly about the bay area for the purpose of this answer.

I moved to Fremont in 1981 back when it was voted one of the top 10 best cities in the United States. Being here now going on 37 years I have to say that Fremont is no longer a great city. I consider it a shithole. In fact the entire Bay Area is IMO over-taxed, over-populated and completely over-run. California in general is a beautiful state with probably the best weather in the world. But that’s all that is really left unless you are RICH. And by rich I mean you gotta be making over 300k a year (SINGLE) to live here comfortably because you get taxed on EVERYTHING. And I mean everything! Gas, water, soda, alcohol, cigs, weed. Hell, some parts of the bay area are up near 10% on sales tax alone. I pay over $10,000 A YEAR in property taxes on a house that in most other states would cost 130k. I plan to sell my house to some poor sap . GET THE FUCK OUT of here to retire. To top that off, garbage, water, gas and electric just goes up and up and up. So to answer the original question, what happened to California and the quality if life? Absolutely nothing if you are rich and don’t mind being over crowded and over taxed. But the middle man just can’t afford to live here anymore. And I would certainly NEVER consider retiring in here. The state (like the bay area) is slowly squeezing out the middle class. That’s also why there is more homeless people than anywhere else in the world. So enjoy it Cali… Not sure how much more you can sustain with just wealth and the homeless.

在加利福尼亞的海灣地區打卡。我主要講的就是舊金山灣區。

1981年，我搬到了弗裏蒙特，當時它被評為美國十大最佳城市之一。在這裏已經37年了，我不得不説弗裏蒙特不再是一個偉大的城市。我認為這是個爛地方。事實上，整個舊金山灣區都被國際海事組織(IMO)徵税過重、人口過剩、完全超負荷。總的來説，加州是一個美麗的州，可能是世界上天氣最好的州。除非你很有錢，否則就只剩下這些了。我説的富有是指你一年要掙30萬以上(單身)才能在這裏舒適地生活，因為你要對一切東西付税。我是説一切!汽油，水，蘇打水，酒精，香煙，大麻。糟糕的是，灣區的一些地區僅銷售税就上漲了近10%。我每年要為一所房子繳納超過1萬美元的財產税，而在其他大多數州，這房子才值13萬美元。我打算把房子賣給一個可憐的蠢貨。然後退休滾出這個地方。最糟糕的是，垃圾、水、煤氣和電的價格不斷上漲。那麼，要回答最初的問題，加州發生了什麼，生活質量如何?如果你很富有，不介意過度擁擠和過度徵税，那就啥問題都沒有。但是普通人是再也住不起了。我絕對不會考慮在這裏退休。這個州(就像舊金山灣區一樣)正在慢慢擠出中產階級。這也是為什麼這裏無家可歸的人比世界上任何地方都多的原因。所以好好享受吧，加州…不知道你還能靠這些錢和無家可歸的人維持多少。

Pete Rope, Project Coordinator

Well I’’ve lived in California my whole life and I’’ll start with a brief story: In college I dated a girl from Omaha. When she came to my home town she kept mentioning how great it smelled. I didn’’t know what she was talking about. Then I visited her home town and it made sense. Everything smelled like shit.

I haven’’t noticed a drop in quality of life. I’’m doing great actually, things would be perfect if wasn’’t constantly reminded that we have a humiliating moron running the country. I think California is misrepresented for political reasons. So here’’s my take.

California isn’’t all beaches and cities. The central valley is some of the most productive farm land in the country. It also smells, and becomes a good forsaken inferno during the summer (and you can get a cheap mortgage there). But coastal California is amazing. Great weather (If you don’’t mind fog), everywhere you look is gorgeous. And it’’s terribly expensive. But housing is only that expensive because people want to live here. I just bought a hovel in CA for a price that would get a mcmansion in another state. But you get what you pay for and prices wouldn’’t be so high if it wasn’’t worth it. But in some of our cities, especially the bay area, prices have gotten out of control with the whole tech boom. Although as far as I’’m concerned all big cities suck. But the biggest cities in California mop the floor with some other states , and a cheap mortgage doesn’’t mean better quality of life.

我一生都住在加州，我先講個小故事:大學時，我和一個來自奧馬哈的女孩約會。當她來到我的家鄉時，她總是提到加州的味道有多好。我不知道她在説什麼。然後我去了她的家鄉，這就説得通了，奧馬哈所有東西聞起來都是屎一樣。

我沒有注意到生活質量有所下降。事實上我做得很好。如果不是不斷提醒我們有一個丟臉的白痴在管理這個國家，事情就會完美了。我認為加州由於政治原因被歪曲了。這是我的看法。加州並不全是海灘和城市。加州中央的谷地是美國最多產的農田之一。它也有氣味，在夏天變成了一個被遺棄的地獄(你可以在那裏得到一個便宜的抵押貸款)。但是沿海的加利福尼亞就很棒了。天氣很好(如果你不介意有霧的話)，你看到的每一個地方都是美麗的。就是特別貴。但房價之所以這麼貴，只是因為人們都想住在這裏。我剛在加州買了一間簡陋的小房子，價錢相當於在另一個州買一棟豪宅。但是你得到了你想要的，如果不值得的話，價格也不會那麼高。但在我們的一些城市，尤其是舊金山灣區，隨着整個科技熱潮，價格已經失控。在我看來，所有的大城市都很糟糕。但加州最大的城市與其他一些州差不多，而且便宜的抵押貸款並不意味着更好的生活質量。

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Cecelia Holland, Self Employed at Free Lance Writer (1965-present)

california hasn’t declined, it’s booming economically, and it’s the most diverse and the most advanced state in the country. i know the rest of the country thinks every sidewalk is smeared with feces, and it’s true that there are large homeless encampments, but these are problems, not signs of decline, and we’re working on the problems. the future here is doable. climate change won’t affect us as severely as it will places like texas, say, and the phenomenal public higher education system is a job creating engine that teaches people cutting edge skills. above all people here are mostly tolerant and open-minded, and that means adaptable.

we’re a favorite punching bag for conservatives. and where would you be without us? you’d have to pay attention to your own problems, which are very similar to ours, just smaller in scale.

加州並沒有衰落，它的經濟正在蓬勃發展，它是美國最多樣化、最先進的州。我知道這個國家的其他地方認為加州每條人行道上都沾滿了糞便，確實有很多無家可歸者的營地，但這些問題不是衰退的跡象，我們也正在解決這些問題。這裏的未來是可期的。氣候變化對我們的影響不會像德克薩斯州那樣嚴重，而優秀的公共高等教育系統是一個創造就業機會的引擎，它教會人們前沿的技能。最重要的是，這裏的大多數人都是寬容和開放的，這意味着其適應性很強。

我們是保守派最喜歡攻擊的對象。如果沒有我們，你會在哪裏?你們(保守黨)得注意自己的問題，你們的問題和我們的很相似，只是規模小一些。

Jerald Cole, B.S., S.M. Chemistry, Chemical Engineering, SJSU, MIT (1982)

Politically, socially, and economically, we seem to be doing much better than the rest of the country as a whole. There are infrastructure issues in certain parts of the state. Our social structure leans toward New Testament Christian (and traditional Jewish) values. As a result we do attract a lot of homeless people from other states that have more Evangelical leanings. Educated folks who come here from other states tend not to leave unless there is a compelling financial reason to do so, such as retirement.

So, on the whole, no. We don’t seem to be in decline.

I travel a lot on business and see and experience a lot of the country. On the whole, the entire West Coast, the North East, and much of Texas seem to be doing quite well, comparatively.

在政治、社會和經濟上，我們似乎比整個國家的其他地方做得好得多。加州某些地區存在基礎設施問題。我們的社會結構傾向於新約基督教(和傳統猶太教)的價值觀。因此，我們吸引了許多來自其他州有更多福音派傾向的無家可歸者。從其他州來到這裏的受過教育的人一般不會離開，除非有令人信服的經濟原因，比如退休。所以，總的來説，加州沒有衰退。

我經常出差，見識了這個國家的很多地方。總的來説，相對而言，整個西海岸、東北部和德克薩斯州的大部分地區似乎做得相當不錯。

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Mark Ravers, lives in California (1985-present)

No. California has been progressing every year. Economically, California has moved from the world’s 8th largest economy to the world’s 6th largest economy in the past 25 years, besting France and Brazil. Economists predict that CA will surpass the United Kingdom in 2018 to become the world’s 5th largest economy, so the state certainly is not declining.

CA has cutting edge businesses in industries that matter: technology and alternative energy, in addition to traditional industries like agriculture, fishing, building materials, and aerospace. CA also has its unique industries of tourism and Hollywood. I think most of the thinking about CA being in decline is from the late 1980s - early 1990s, but Silicon Valley helped reverse some of the problems and CA has remained the world leader in technology, which has resulted in the state encouraging new industry like alternative energy - all of which combined has proved to be a winning strategy for CA.

It concerns me when I hear politicians trying to rally support for industries like steel and coal, which are long gone. Other than a few thousand workers who want their old jobs, those industries don’t help the US. Bringing back steel is akin to bringing back wagon wheel manufacturing. We are working on new materials that are better than steel and the US can’t compete with steel made overseas with cheap labor - NOR SHOULD WE WANT TO. Those old labor jobs are replaced by better jobs that earn more money for both the business and the employees without risk of severe injury, which is extremely costly to businesses in lost time and workers’ compensation. We are much better off retraining those few thousand workers into industries that are cutting edge - like solar or electric cars. When American steel workers cost approx. $50/hour, we have no way of competing realistically with countries that pay their workers less than a dollar per hour

What is coming is just like the factory jobs that suddenly disappeared when robots took them in the 1980s, resulting in the rust-belt. Those jobs are going to go FAST - in 5–10 years, they will be dying off because the technology is here now. The government should be planning for this and sending out the alarm to people working in those industries that it s time to consider retraining or retiring because there is no way to keep those jobs and they need to move with the times. Instead, we are stuck with politicians who only care about today and pander to votes by keeping a few hundred jobs open here and there for a few more years, instead of facing facts and planning for tomorrow. This is another reason CA is not declining thanks to its pursuit of technology jobs and cutting-edge industries - the state has new industries for those workers to shift to that other states do not.

不。加州每年都在進步。在經濟上，加州在過去的25年裏已經從世界第8大經濟體變成了世界第6大經濟體，超過了法國和巴西。經濟學家預測，加州將在2018年超過英國，成為世界第五大經濟體，所以加州肯定沒有衰落。

除了農業、漁業、建築材料和航空航天等傳統產業外，加州還在科技和替代能源等重要行業擁有前沿業務。加州也有其獨特的旅遊業和好萊塢。我認為大多數關於加州正在衰落的想法是在20世紀80年代末到90年代初產生的，但是硅谷幫助扭轉了一些問題。加州一直是世界技術的領導者，這導致了國家鼓勵像替代能源這樣的新產業——所有這些結合起來被證明是加州的一個成功戰略。

當我聽到政客們試圖為早已不復存在的鋼鐵和煤炭等行業爭取支持時，我感到擔憂。除了幾千名希望保住老工作的工人以外，這些行業對美國沒有任何幫助。把鋼鐵帶回來，就像把車輪製造業帶回來一樣。我們正在開發比鋼鐵更好的新材料，而美國無法與擁有廉價勞動力的海外鋼鐵競爭——我們也不應該希望如此。那些舊的勞動工作被更好的工作所取代，這些工作可以為企業和員工帶來更多的收入，而且沒有嚴重工傷的風險，工傷對企業損失的時間和工人的補償是極其昂貴的。對這幾千名工人進行再培訓，讓他們進入太陽能或電動汽車等前沿行業，我們的情況會好得多。美國鋼鐵工人的成本大約是50美元/小時，我們沒有辦法與那些每小時工資低於1美元的國家競爭。

即將到來的情況就像上世紀80年代機器人佔領工廠時一樣，工廠裏的工作突然消失，導致了鐵鏽區。這些工作將會很快消失——在5-10年內，它們就會消失，因為技術已經出現了。政府應該對此進行規劃，並向那些在這些行業工作的人發出警告，是時候考慮重新培訓或退休了，因為沒有辦法保住這些工作，他們需要與時俱進。相反，我們被困在那些只關心今天、為了迎合選票而到處保留幾百個工作崗位、而不是面對事實和為明天做計劃的政客們身上幾年了。這是加州沒有因為追求科技工作和前沿產業而衰落的另一個原因——加州有新的產業可以讓那些工人轉移到其他州沒有的地方去。

Ernest W. Adams, lived in California

Hardly! California’s economy just surpassed that of the United Kingdom earlier this year, moving up from 6th largest in the world to 5th largest. It is a roaring success. It is also very forward-looking on environmental matters and has been ever since the 1970s, when it enacted some of the first pollution control laws. Its status as a center of high technology research means that it is far ahead of the rest of the country in implementing clean energy and similar programs.

幾乎沒有衰退！今年早些時候，加州的經濟規模剛剛超過英國，從世界第6位上升到第5位。這是一個巨大的成功。它在環境問題上也很有遠見，自1970年代以來一直如此，當時它頒佈了第一批污染控制法律。它作為高科技研究中心的地位意味着它在實施清潔能源和類似項目方面遠遠領先於其他國家。