英國將在工作簽證費用上區別對待歐盟國家_風聞

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正文原創翻譯：

UK to discriminate between EU countries on fees for work visas

-Citizens of five Eastern European and Baltic countries must pay more to get a UK work visa than other EU nationals.

英國將在工作簽證費用上區別對待歐盟國家

——5個東歐和波羅的海國家的公民要想獲得英國工作簽證，必須支付比其他歐盟國家公民更高的費用。

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評論翻譯

JoseMikey 

Can the EU even do something about it? I mean I know there is supposed visa reciprocity in EU rules, and the deals should cover ALL countries, but I’m not sure this goes as far as fees, and also even when it comes to just visas, the EU can’t do much, like people from Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia still need US visas…

歐盟能對此做點什麼嗎？我的意思是，我知道在歐盟規則中應該有簽證互惠，協議應該涵蓋所有國家，但我不確定這是否涉及到手續費用，甚至只是在簽證方面，歐盟也無能為力，就像來自羅馬尼亞、保加利亞和克羅地亞的人仍然需要辦理美國簽證一樣……

Saalkoz

I know the Germans have the same problem. But they allow dual citizenship if it means hardship. Just state your case I the Dutch embassy and ask if it’s possible to get an exception in some way.

It’s hard but I don’t think it’s impossible. Especially in the current political clima.

我知道德國人也有同樣的問題。但是他們允許雙重國籍，如果這意味着困難的話。你只需向荷蘭大使館説明你的情況，然後詢問是否有可能在某種程度上得到例外對待。

這很難，但我不認為這是不可能的。尤其是在當前的政治環境下。

jordicl United Kingdom

What are you on about? This has nothing to do with refugees. Moroccan citizens in the Netherlands aren’t refugees, their parents or grand parents were invited as guest labourers after the second world war to rebuild the country. Again, NOTHING to do with refugees.

Also has nothing to do with Western Europe. Moroccan citizens everywhere in the world can’t give up their Moroccan passports. A Moroccan citizen with dual nationality in the US or in Australia or wherever also is forced to keep their Moroccan citizenship.

你在扯什麼？這和難民一點關係都沒有。在荷蘭的摩洛哥公民並不是難民，他們的父母或祖父母在二戰後受邀為重建國家而來。再説一遍，這與難民無關。

也與西歐無關。世界各地的摩洛哥公民都不能放棄摩洛哥護照。在美國、澳大利亞或其他地方擁有雙重國籍的摩洛哥公民也被迫保留其摩洛哥國籍。

momentimori

Do they actually strip your citizenship or just not recognise dual nationality?

他們真的剝奪了你的公民身份還是不承認你的雙重國籍？

UniquesNotUseful 1

If you married a UK citizen that is the child of an Irish person, you could get the UK passport and your children could get an EU passport. Bit of a complex I guess…

如果你與愛爾蘭人的孩子的英國公民結婚，你可以獲得英國護照，你的孩子可以獲得歐盟護照。我猜有點複雜……

Kirmes1 Kingdom of Württemberg 

doesn’t allow dual citizenship

And it’s good that way. Dual citizenship is just antidemocratic.

“不允許雙重國籍”

這樣很好。雙重國籍是反民主的。

jordicl United Kingdom 

Why do you think it’s anti-democratic?

你為什麼認為這是反民主的？

JoseMikey 

I guess people can vote in two places. Say Poland has problems with old Polish immigration from the 70s and 80s voting, usually far right and ultra catholic and they still vote, despite not being in Poland for decades and thinking it still looks like in the communist days. Someone who hasn’t been living in a country for so many years deciding it’s fate has little to do with democracy. Not sure this was his/her point, but it pisses me off.

我想人們可以在兩個地方投票。比如，波蘭在70年代和80年代的老波蘭移民投票方面存在問題，這些移民通常是極右翼和極端天主教，他們仍然在投票，儘管他們已經不在波蘭幾十年了，認為波蘭仍然像XX主義時期一樣。一個多年來沒有在一個國家生活過的人，卻能決定這個國家的命運，這根本不是民主。我不確定這是不是他/她的意思，但這讓我很生氣。

jordicl United Kingdom 

I mean there are tons of countries that have large diasporas (Ireland and Israel are the first two that come to mind) that require anyone who wants to vote in national elections to actually be in the country to vote. This sort of removes that problem, since most people wouldn’t take the effort of flying all the way back home just to vote, especially if they have been living abroad for decades.

我的意思是，有很多有大量移民的國家（愛爾蘭和以色列是最先想到的兩個）要求任何想在全國選舉中投票的人都必須在本國投票。這在一定程度上解決了這個問題，因為大多數人不會為了投票而長途飛行回家，尤其是如果他們已經在國外生活了幾十年的話。

Former_Singer

The EU also has different visa requirements for countries who are not members of the EU differing based on the applicants country of origin…I fail to see the difference.

歐盟對非歐盟成員國也有不同的簽證要求，這取決於申請人的原籍國。我看不出這和英國的行為有什麼區別。

vvblz

But why those countries get different treatment?

但是為什麼這些國家會得到區別對待呢？

Former_Singer 

I don’t know, probably for the same reason that we give preference to some non EU countries over others. Maybe there is more demand from these countries and they’re trying to manage that? I’m not a politician so you would really have to ask someone from the UK government.

If the EU wanted to do something about this then they could subsidise the payments.

我不知道，可能是出於同樣的原因，我們優先考慮一些非歐盟國家。也許是我們對這些國家有更多的需求，並且他們也正在提供這些資源？我不是政客，所以你真的得問問英國政府的人。

如果歐盟想對此做點什麼，他們可以補貼這筆（申請差額）款項。

Antique-Percentage 

Except there’s no way to distinguish between people from England, Scotland, Wales, NI because they are all citizens of the UK. There’s no such thing as a “Welsh citizen” or “Scottish citizen”.

除了根本沒有辦法區分英格蘭人、蘇格蘭人、威爾士人，因為他們都是英國公民。沒有所謂的“威爾士公民”或“蘇格蘭公民”。

Former_Singer 

I don’t think that we have anything to gain from victimising the UK as it is becoming increasingly difficult to argue that the EU is acting in good faith. The easiest way to resolve this would be for the EC to pay the €55 on behalf of those states.

I could be wrong but I think within the UK people offer distinctions between English/Scottish/Welsh and Northern Irish, internationally these classifications do not exist and instead it’s British.

我認為，讓英國付出犧牲對我們沒有任何好處，因為現在越來越難以證明歐盟是在真誠行事了。解決這一問題最簡單的方法是由歐盟代為這些國家支付那55歐元的差價。

我可能錯了，但我認為在英國，人們會區分英格蘭人/蘇格蘭人/威爾士人和北愛爾蘭人，而在國際上這些分類並不存在，都是英國人。

Constant-Attitude643

I dont think europeans should do those jobs anyway. They treat them like cattle, its degrading. Let the British do them.

我不認為歐洲人應該幹這些工作。他們像對待牲口一樣對待他們，這是可恥的。讓英國人自己幹去吧。

SwaydenEstonia

So this is what we get for supporting UK. First chance they get to stab us in the back.

Best part is they don’t even bother to give any real explanation, just a middle finger.

這就是我們支持英國所得到的。他們一有機會就從背後捅我們一刀。

最棒的是他們甚至懶得給出任何真正的解釋，只是豎起中指。

Morozow 

Therefore I say that it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.

因此，我認為把這個或那個國家當作英國的永久盟友或永久敵人是一種狹隘的政策。我們沒有永遠的盟友，也沒有永遠的敵人。我們的利益是永恆的，是永恆的，我們有責任去追求這些利益。

furfulla 

Why would anyone want to go to UK to work?

為什麼會有人想去英國工作？

Azlan82England

Don’t know, ask one of the 4.9 million EU citizens who have already applied for settled status here

不知道，找一個已經在這裏申請定居身份的490萬歐盟公民問問

Kingfisher_ybw Flanders (Belgium) 

Because the salaries are some of the highest in the world. But so is the cost of living so…..

因為那裏的工資是世界上最高的。但是生活費用也是……

VelarTAGRejoin! Rejoin! 

Depends very much on where you live. London, obviously, plus Edinburgh, Oxford, Cambridge, Bath, Bristol. Otherwise I’d say it’s pretty comparable with most of western Europe. Food and drink is cheap (unless you shop at Waitrose of course).

這在很大程度上取決於你住在哪裏。當然還有倫敦，愛丁堡，牛津，劍橋，巴斯，布里斯托爾。否則我得説，它與大多數西歐國家相當。食物和飲料很便宜（當然，除非你在維特羅斯超市購物）。

AnyDream United Kingdom 

But why discriminate?

但是為什麼要搞歧視呢？

scient0logy

These policies are not really discrimination, after all, a country doesn’t have the same geopolitical agreements with every other country. They make some special agreements with some, and not for others. It really depends on the interests of the nation. There are countries now that limit Chinese investment because they don’t want to end up like certain African nations. Every country already decides which country requires a visa and which doesn’t, this is nothing new.

這些政策並不是真正的歧視，畢竟，一個國家與其他國家的地緣政治協議並不相同。他們和一些國家簽訂了特殊的協議，而不是為另一些國家。這真的取決於國家的利益。現在有些國家限制某東方大國的投資，因為他們不想落得和某些非洲國家一樣的下場。每個國家都已經決定哪些國家需要簽證，哪些不需要，這不是什麼新鮮事。

PlamiAGEurope|Bulgaria 

The poorest ones. This is purely a racist deterrent for those dirty Eastern Europeans.

針對最窮的國家。這純粹是對那些骯髒的東歐人的種族主義威懾。