為什麼會有這麼多的球迷反對歐洲超級聯賽？_風聞

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評論原創翻譯：

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Chris Hall

, studied at THE UNIVERSITY OF LONDON

Answered April 21

Let me say first of all that we now know that the European Super League has died.

Why?

Because it was based on the USA system of greed over sport.

That was never going to be accepted in the UK and everyone here is pleased that the proposal has totally failed.

In fact, the interesting thing is that there was no one here who would actually try to support the idea.

This is because American professional sports lack relegation-promotion and have revenue sharing, bad teams are insulated from the most severe repercussions, financially and competitively. If not, the Chicago Cubs would have been relegated long ago.

So a Super League-like power grab probably made sense to the American owners. Who needs accountability when there’s money to be made?

But soccer in Europe is more than a sport, it’s an intrinsic part of society.

In short: the fans in the UK have stopped this greed-motivated attempt to destroy football.

But one good thing will come out of it: measures will now be put in place to ensure that this sort of greedy dealing can never be proposed again.

Americans such as Kroenke, Henry and the Glazers might know that, but they can never truly understand it. It’s no wonder they felt the need to create their own system, and it’s no wonder that it failed so spectacularly.

在開始之前，我們現在知道，歐洲超級聯賽已經死亡。（4月19日12支俱樂部共同提出組建超級聯賽，4月21日6支英超球隊退出超級聯賽，超級聯賽名存實亡）

為什麼？

因為它是建立在美國的貪婪體系之上的運動。

這在英國是永遠不會被接受的，這裏的每個人都很高興這個提議完全失敗了。

事實上，有趣的是，這裏沒有人真正嘗試支持這個想法。

這是因為美國的職業體育缺乏降級晉級，並且有收入分享，不好的球隊在經濟上和競爭上都與最嚴重的影響絕緣。否則，芝加哥小熊隊早就被降級了。

因此，對美國金主來説，類似超級聯賽的權力掠奪可能是有意義的。有錢可賺，誰還需要問責？

但足球在歐洲不僅僅是一項運動，它是社會的內在組成部分。

簡而言之：英國的球迷已經阻止了這種以貪婪為動機的摧毀足球的企圖。

但有一件好事會產生：現在將制定措施，確保這種貪婪的交易再也無法提出。

克倫克、亨利和格雷澤家族等美國人可能知道這一點，但他們永遠無法真正理解這一點。難怪他們覺得有必要創建自己的新聯賽體系，也難怪它失敗得如此迅速驚人。

Tom Fuzery

, lives in London

Answered April 21

Adding a different point to the many smart comments…

Some of these clubs are indeed big and with a twisted argument they might say they have grown out their leagues. Let’s park it that they have grown massive on the foundation of their fans wanting them to win their leagues. Hard to swallow but let’s try. So on that base, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Juventus and maybe Liverpool may have the merit to aim higher. Let’s add AC Milan to the list because of their history.

But the rest? Arsenal? They haven’t made it to the top 4 and thus qualified for the UCL since 2016. Man City? Before the sheiks arrived that was a nice, mediocre local club. Anything but big. Yep, recently they had domestic success, but in Europe? Nothing. But the one that really sticks out for me is Spurs! Really??? They have won the English league only twice, last time 60 years ago. They were in the top 4 maybe five or six times in the last 30 years… They had 2 UEFA Cups 40–50 years ago… okay, nice… But that’s it. Still they are the big club, and not Bayern, Ajax, Benfica, Celtic, Porto, PSV Eindhoven, Dortmund, Feyenoord, Seville or the others… There is only one thing qualifies clubs to be “big clubs”. Revenue in the last few years… And that’s why this whole thing stinks

Then why to pretend that it’s about sports? Better invite LA Galaxy or Shanghai Port straight away. The market potential might be even bigger…

在許多聰明的評論中加入一個不同的觀點……

這些俱樂部中的一些確實很大，用一個扭曲的説法，他們可能會説他們已經發展到他們的聯賽舞台已經不夠大、容不下他們了。讓我們假設他們在本地聯賽已經取得了巨大的成功，他們的球迷希望他們組建自己的聯賽。雖然這很扯，但我們還是試着去理解看看。因此，在這個基礎上，皇家馬德里、巴塞羅那、曼聯、尤文圖斯，也許還有利物浦，可能產生了更高的目標。讓我們把AC米蘭加入到這個名單中，因為他們輝煌的歷史。

但是其他的呢？阿森納？自2016年以來，他們還沒有進入過前四名，因此沒有資格參加歐冠。曼城？在酋長到來之前，這是一個不錯的、平庸的地方俱樂部。任何東西都算不上大。是的，最近他們在國內取得了成功，但在歐洲？什麼都沒有。但是，真正讓我印象深刻的是熱刺。認真的嗎？他們只贏得過兩次英格蘭聯賽冠軍，上一次是在60年前。在過去的30年裏，他們可能有五到六次進入前四名……他們在40-50年前有過兩個歐洲獎盃……好吧，不錯……但僅此而已。他們雖然仍然是大俱樂部，但不是拜仁、阿賈克斯、本菲卡、凱爾特人、波爾圖、埃因霍温、多特蒙德、費耶諾德、塞維利亞或其他……現在只有一件事能讓俱樂部成為"大俱樂部"。那就是過去幾年的收入……這就是為什麼這整個事情都很糟糕。

那為什麼要假裝這是關於體育的？最好直接邀請洛杉磯銀河或上海上港來參加算了。市場潛力可能會更大…

Declan Edwards

, football fan and volunteer

Answered April 25

Why are so many football fans against the European Super League?

Because it’s a stupid idea, and goes completely against everything football has been up to so far.

Well, not everything. It’s about money, which is what top flight football has been about for decades now.

Football is a meritocracy, and you need to fight to make your way to the top and stay there. The ESL, a closed shop, would remove that.

With a closed shop, you’d have had no Leicester City in 2015, or Nottingham Forest in 1978, or Wimbledon in the 1980s and 1990s.

The MLS is a closed shop, as it has been since the start. There’s no relegation from it, so what incentive is there for a team that starts poorly, and is out of title contention, to fight the rest of the season? That’s one reason we look down on the MLS and tut.

Playing the biggest clubs from the other big nations is supposed to be an occasional treat, something to look forward to. Like Christmas. If it happened every week, it wouldn’t be as special and you wouldn’t be as excited about it after a while.

And it isn’t just the fans. Clubs not involved, players, managers, ex-players, pundits, and governments were all against it too.

Still, it took our attention away from VAR for a couple of days.

為什麼這麼多足球迷反對歐洲超級聯賽？

因為這是一個愚蠢的想法，而且完全違背了足球迄今為止所做的一切。

好吧，不是一切。它是關於錢的，這也是幾十年來頂級足球一直在做的事情。

足球是一種擇優錄取的制度，你需要通過鬥爭來達到頂峯，並留在那裏。而ESL，一個封閉的商店，將消除這一點。

有了一個封閉的商店（closed shop：只僱傭特定人員的商店），你就不會再有2015年的萊斯特城，或1978年的諾丁漢森林，或1980年代和1990年代的温布爾登。

MLS（美職聯）是一個封閉的商店，因為它從一開始就是這樣。它沒有降級，所以有什麼動力讓一支開局不佳、脱離冠軍爭奪的球隊在剩下的賽季中戰鬥呢？這就是我們看不起MLS和tut的原因之一。

與其他大國的最大俱樂部比賽應該是一種偶爾的享受，是值得期待的事情。就像聖誕節。如果它每週都發生，它就不會那麼特別，過了一段時間，你就不會對它感到興奮。

而且，這不僅僅是球迷的事。沒有參與的俱樂部、球員、經理、前球員、專家學者和政府也都反對它。

不過，它還是把我們的注意力從VAR的爭議上移開了幾天。