QA：為什麼歐洲人聲稱歐洲的生活比美國的生活更好，卻找不到支持他們的説法？_風聞

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Why do people in Europe claim that life in Europe is better than life in the United States, yet they can’t find any large number of people moving from the United States to Europe to back up their claim?

為什麼歐洲人聲稱歐洲的生活比美國的生活更好，卻找不到大量從美國搬到歐洲的人來支持他們的説法？

評論原創翻譯：

Mats Andersson

Um, we don’t actually let Americans move here.

Please form an orderly queue; it seems like quite a lot of people are trying to flee to Europe from oppressive regimes and assorted warlords in the Middle East. And they’re ahead of Americans, since they often have genuine refugee status.

The only realistic way for an American to move to Europe is 1) as someone’s spouse, 2) having qualifications for a job that are unmatched by any local applicant. Reason 1 is incredibly much more common than reason 2. Especially since many jobs have as a key qualification “somewhat fluent in the local language”.

嗯，實際上是我們不讓美國人搬到這裏。

請有序排隊。似乎有相當多的人試圖從中東的壓迫政權和形形色色的軍閥手中逃往歐洲。他們走在了美國人的前面，因為他們往往擁有真正的難民身份。

美國人移居歐洲的唯一現實方式是：

1、作為某人的配偶

2、擁有任何當地申請人都無法比擬的工作技能。

原因1比原因2普遍得多。尤其是因為許多工作的關鍵條件是“能熟練掌握當地語言”。

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A. C. Andersen

Um, we don’t actually let Americans move here.

Well that’s kinda overstating it, if an American wants to move to Europe they are welcome to do so as long as they can comply with the requirements that apply to every potential immigrant, and some Americans do just that, I was previously married to an American myself, lived in the US a while myself and we moved to Denmark together, got divorced later but she still lives here and has no intention of returning to the US, but anyway the immigration process wasn’t that difficult, and on a side note considerably cheaper than the US one was, something like 200 kr in fees vs. About 2500 dollars, but yeah some random American with no skills, no assets, no relation will probably have a hard time of it

“嗯，實際上是我們不讓美國人搬到這裏。”

呃呃，這有點言過其實了，如果一個美國人想搬到歐洲，只要他們能遵守適用於每一個潛在移民的要求，歡迎他們這樣做，而有些美國人就是這樣做的，我以前也和一個美國人結婚，我自己在美國住了一段時間，我們一起搬到了丹麥，後來離婚了，但她仍然住在這裏，無意返回美國，但無論如何，移民程序並沒有那麼困難，而且比美國便宜得多，生活費用大約是200克朗 VS 2500美元的樣子，但是的，一些沒有技能、沒有資產、沒有關係的美國人可能會過得很艱難。

Leslie T.

Applying for Irish citizenship costs a thousand Euros upfront, but is achievable if you have an Irish grandparent.

申請愛爾蘭公民身份需要預付1000歐元，但如果你有愛爾蘭祖父母，這是可以實現的。

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Greg LHV

Overstating it because Mats is just a narrow-minded chauvinistic ass.

誇大其詞，因為Mats只是一個心胸狹窄的沙文主義混蛋。

Jenny Peters

Says the American who thinks that the US has ‘exceptionalism’.

認為有美國“例外論”的美國人，就是這麼説話的。

Greg LHV

I never said that, Jenny. Know of what you speak before opening your mouth.

我從來沒有這麼説過，Jenny。開口之前先知道自己説了什麼。

Jenny Peters

You do. No other country talks about their ‘exceptionalism’ despite being behind every other first world country in every stat that matters to security and safety except crime, school and mass shootings.

你這麼做了。沒有其他國家談論他們的“例外主義”，只有某個國家，儘管他們在除犯罪、學校和大規模槍擊案之外的所有涉及安全的數據上都落後於其他第一世界國家。

Greg LHV

Again, I never said that. Follow the logic of the conversation please.

再説一遍，我從來沒有這麼説過。請按照對話的邏輯進行。

Alex Skuli

The fact that you and your American ex divorced later doesn’t change that she came into Denmark as your spouse (or as Mats’ reason 1), she wouldn’t have been allowed to move to Denmark if you had divorced before she moved. We (Europeans/Nordics) don’t deport permanent residents for getting divorced, but getting a permanent residence status takes 4–7 years (depending on the country). you are the one overstating when you say “if an American wants to move to Europe they are welcome to do so as long as they can comply with the requirements that apply to every potential immigrant”, since those requirements will be exactly one of the two reasons Mats listed unless they’re from another EU/EEA/Schengen country (in which case there won’t be any requirements at all) or if they’re accepted as refugees (which no American will be).

I’ve been in a relationship with an American woman for nearly 5 years, living with her in Europe (Iceland) and paying taxes together mutually as spouses, for nearly the entire time, and she is still legally tied to me (she’ll hopefully be granted permanent residency next year, and citezenship 2 years after that).

你和你的美國前任後來離婚的事實並沒有改變，她是作為你的配偶來到丹麥的（或者作為Mats的理由1），如果你在她搬家之前就離婚了，她就不會被允許搬到丹麥。我們（歐洲人/北歐人）不會因為離婚而驅逐永久居民，但獲得永久居留身份需要4-7年（取決於國家）。

當你説“如果美國人想移居歐洲，只要他們能遵守適用於每個潛在移民的要求，歡迎他們移居歐洲”時，你是在誇大其詞，因為這些要求正是Mats列出的兩個原因之一。

否則的話，除非他們是來自另一個歐盟/歐洲經濟區/申根國家（在這種情況下根本沒有任何要求）或者他們是否被接納為難民（沒有美國人會被接納）。

我和一位美國女性交往了近5年，與她一起生活在歐洲（冰島），幾乎一直作為配偶共同納税，她仍然與我有法律聯繫（她有望在明年獲得永久居留權，兩年後獲得公民身份）。

A. C. Andersen

Well Mats started by stating we don’t allow Americans to move here and that’s just not correct, there are no prohibitions against immigrants from the US they are the same as any other immigrants from non EU countries often expats talk to each other share their experiences of life in their new country so while we were married I met several other Americans living here with a multitude of routes to get residency/citizenship between them, she had a son from a previous marriage who has recently moved here with his girlfriend also American and they are currently going through the process without significant difficulties, he is too old for family reunification and such, so his family relation to her doesn’t matter from an immigration standpoint, but he found a job here so did the girlfriend, the point really is Americans can and do immigrate to Scandinavia they are allowed to on an equal basis with anyone else, and as I wrote in the end of my comment a random person with no skills, relations or assets will have a hard time of it, it isn’t impossible but difficult if you have none of that, but if you are American or Australian doesn’t really matter in that equation.

好吧，Mats首先説我們不允許美國人搬到這裏，這是不對的，我們沒有禁止來自美國的移民——他們和來自非歐盟國家的任何其他移民一樣。外籍人士經常相互交談，分享他們在新國家的生活經歷，所以當我們結婚時，我遇到了住在這裏的其他幾個美國人，他們之間有很多獲得居留權/公民身份的途徑。她的前一段婚姻留下了一個兒子，最近，她兒子的女朋友（也是美國人）搬到了這裏，他們目前正在經歷這個過程，沒有重大困難，他年齡太大了，不需要家庭團聚等等，所以從移民的角度來看，他和她的家庭關係並不重要，但他在這裏找到了工作，女朋友也是，真正的問題是，美國人可以而且確實可以移民到斯堪的納維亞半島，他們被允許在與其他人平等的基礎上移民，正如我在評論的最後所寫的那樣，一個沒有技能、關係或資產的路人甲會過得很艱難，如果你沒有這些問題，這是有可能的，但很困難，但你是美國人還是澳大利亞人，在這個等式中並不重要。

Dan Petre

Add the double taxation to this, any US citizen has to pay taxes in US regardless of where they live.

再加上雙重徵税，任何美國公民都必須在美國納税，無論他們住在哪裏。

Thomas Soininen

Although it’s not really double as in they don’t pay twice the amount of tax. They have to report their earnings to the US IRS and, if in the US they should have paid more than they’ve already paid in their country of residence, they’ll pay that difference to the US.

這並不是真正的兩倍，因為他們不繳納兩倍的税款。他們必須向美國國税局報告他們的收入，如果他們在美國應該支付比他們在居住國已經支付的更多的錢，他們將向美國支付差額。

Kuba Uhlíř

Which is absolutely insane, let’s be honest

老實説，這太瘋狂了

Thomas Soininen

Oh, for sure. In combination with the US’s jus solis citzenship laws, it’s creating a whole host of accidental Americans who are likely to be charged upon entering the US if they haven’t been keeping up with their taxes.

哦，當然。再加上美國的出生地公民身份法，這就產生了一大批意外的美國人，如果他們沒有按時納税，那麼他們進入美國時可能會被收取費用。

Rich C

“who are likely to be charged upon entering the US if they haven’t been keeping up with their taxes.” Do you have any idea how often that actually happens? Hint: the use of the word “likely” here is so inaccurate as to be absurd. “Very, very remotely possible, if you are on their radar for other reasons” would be much more accurate.

“如果他們沒有按時納税，那麼他們進入美國時可能會被收取費用。”

你知道這種情況實際發生的頻率嗎？提示：這裏使用“可能”一詞是如此不準確以至於荒謬。

“非常非常極度可能，如果你因為其他原因出現在他們的雷達上的話”，這樣會準確得多。

Dan Petre

One of them is Boris Johnson, former UK PM born in US. He gave up US citizenship to stop paying tax in US..

其中之一就是出生在美國的前英國首相鮑里斯·約翰遜。他放棄了美國公民身份，停止了在美國納税……

1234

why? if you aren’t liable for taxes, you shouldn’t have the benefit of citizenship.

為什麼？如果你不納税，你就不應該享受公民身份的好處。