【社會】太陽能的崛起和中國驚人的電動車增長可能已經使全球排放量下降_風聞

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Zaptruder

imagine where we’d be if American oil, gas and coal didn’t spend decades obfuscating alternate forms of energy… we’d probably have nuclear everywhere, and be deep into fusion energy at this point. Batteries would’ve been even more advanced due to the abundance of clean energy.

And probably not staring down the barrel of a slow moving (relative to human life spans)cclimate crisis.

At least someone is taking the lead on this issue, thank fuck. too bad it means the inevitable decline of the western hegemony. but fuck them… all lip service towards freedoms, but only meaning short term selfish freedoms in practice.

試想一下，如果美國的石油、天然氣和煤炭沒有花費數十年的時間來掩蓋替代能源的形式，我們現在會是什麼樣子……我們現在可能到處都有核電，並深入研究核聚變能源。由於清潔能源的豐富，電池也會更加先進。

也可能不會面臨緩慢發展（相對於人類壽命而言）的氣候危機。

至少有人在這個問題上起了帶頭作用，謝天謝地。可惜這意味着西方霸權將不可避免地衰落。但去他們的……口口聲聲説自由，實際上只是短期的自私自由。

Jah_Ith_Ber

Even further, the price of energy is fundamental to the price of everything in the entire economy. Everything we have is just raw resources combined with energy via human labor. If the price of energy increases every step along the supply chain increases in price too. I remember silly calculations like how when peak oil hits bacon will be $30 a pound. On the other hand if energy costs plummet (due to nuclear being built out decades ago) we could all be living our Jetsons future right now.

The fossil fuel lobbyists made themselves a little bit richer but society as a whole is much, much poorer.

再細想一下，能源價格是整個經濟中一切價格的基礎。我們所擁有的一切都只是通過人類勞動與能源相結合的原始資源。如果能源價格上漲，供應鏈上的每一個環節的價格也會上漲。我還記得一些愚蠢的計算，比如當石油峯值到來時，培根的價格會達到 30 美元一磅。另一方面，如果能源成本急劇下降（由於幾十年來核能的建設），我們現在就可以過上“傑森一家”的未來生活。

化石燃料的説客們讓自己變得更富有了一些，但整個社會卻貧窮了很多很多。

spidereater

Yes. China is going to dominate the energy and auto industries in the developing world. It didn’t need to be that way but the west has squandered their tremendous advantages and will have a hard time competing going forward.

是的。中國將主導發展中國家的能源和汽車行業。本來不一定會這樣，但西方已浪費了他們的巨大優勢，今後將很難與之競爭。

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LoL_is_pepega_BIA

They don’t care.. current asset owners made a literal killing (of money and billions of people) and are enjoying their own lives.

Future be fked.

他們根本不在乎…目前的資產所有者賺得盆滿缽滿，正在享受他們自己的生活。

未來完了就完了。

Solenkata

the west has squandered their tremendous advantages

Yeah but we made a few hundred people billionaires, that’s progress /s

“西方已經浪費了他們的巨大優勢”

是的，但我們讓幾百個人成為了億萬富翁，這就是進步/S

PanzerKomadant

Are you suggesting that capitalist greed focused on short term profits and extracting wealth cause the west to lose out on such a revolutionary industry?!

你的意思是，資本主義貪婪地追求短期利潤和攫取財富，導致西方失去了這樣一個革命性的產業？

iboneyandivory

I’m saying Ford’s going to continue focusing on making ever-bigger F150’s until the platform is no longer wildly profitable, and then make excuses to their shareholders about why they’re behind on quality, reliability and innovation in the EV space. It’s the American way.

我的意思是，福特會繼續專注於生產更大的 F150，直到該平台不再盈利，然後再向股東們找藉口，解釋為什麼他們在電動車領域的質量、可靠性和創新方面落後了。這就是美國人的作風。

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TheUpperHand

”And that’s why we require hundreds of billions in taxpayer subsidies to help us catch up from this unforeseeable setback.”

“這就是為什麼我們需要數千億來自納税人的補貼來幫助我們擺脱這一不可預見的挫折。”

gypsygib

Dont forget the billions in tax payer subsidies they’ll need to stay relevant.

That’s on top of the Chinese tarrifs they’ve lobbied for.

And who pays for all this? The regular person who also pays way more for tariffed vehicles.

別忘了，他們還需要納税人數十億美元的補貼才能繼續發展。

這還不包括他們遊説的對華關税。

誰來為這一切買單？普通人，他們還得為加徵關税的汽車支付更多的費用。

TonyJZX

ironically just a few days ago Ford CEO Chris Farley said the same thing… that the US is going to be completely overtaken by Chinese EV tech and that they should be focussing on small EVs… so he talks the talk but then bets it all on the F150.

And for US and EU its all about tariffs. That’s their only tool.

And then in countries that do not have tariffs you have a sub usd$20k EV that does 250 miles on a charge…

諷刺的是，就在幾天前，福特公司首席執行官克里斯-法利也説過同樣的話……他説美國將被中國的電動汽車技術完全超越，他們應該把重點放在小型電動汽車上……因此，他可以説得頭頭是道，但卻把全部賭注押在了 F150 上。

對美國和歐盟來説，關税是他們唯一的手段。這是他們唯一的工具。

而在那些沒有關税的國家，你可以擁有一輛售價不到 2 萬美元的電動汽車，充電後可行駛 250 英里……

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quazywabbit

BYD already has plans for Europe and we will see how that goes but if it goes well then that means that it will come to Canada. I am sure however USA wll tell BYD that they can’t come to the USA and use National Security Concerns as the main reason even if they pass any/all Safety regulations of the USA.

比亞迪已經在歐洲制定了計劃，我們拭目以待，但如果進展順利，這就意味着比亞迪將進入加拿大。不過，我相信美國會告訴比亞迪，即使他們通過了美國的任何/所有安全規定，他們也不能來美國，並以國家安全為主要理由。

melkorsring

why would it come to canada? the canadian government just does whatever america does, and it doesn’t have EU car standards which is why canadians can’t import european cars, and byd has no real interest in a market as small as canada

為什麼它會來加拿大？加拿大政府唯美國馬首是瞻，加拿大沒有歐盟的汽車標準，所以加拿大人不能進口歐洲汽車，而且比亞迪對加拿大這樣的小市場也沒有什麼興趣。

quazywabbit

BYD just started to sell in Europe and has a plant there. As for Canada I can see them wanting to test a market like USA and Canada isn’t as xenophobic as Americans. They already have a plant in Mexico so just need to ship them.

比亞迪剛剛開始在歐洲銷售，並在那裏建造工廠。至於加拿大，我可以理解他們想測試和美國一樣的市場，而且加拿大不像美國那麼排外。他們已經在墨西哥建有工廠，因此只需送到即可。

spidereater

At some level this will get resistance from consumers. I’m already seeing stuff about cheap EVs in Australia and New Zealand. If that extends to Europe and Canada people will not just be content to pay premium prices in America for something everyone else is getting cheaper.

這在某種程度上會受到消費者的抵制。我已經在澳大利亞和新西蘭看到了關於廉價電動汽車的報道。如果這種情況擴展到歐洲和加拿大，人們就不會只滿足於在美國花高價買別人都在便宜賣的東西了。

quazywabbit

I feel this depends on who wins the election. If Trump wins then we will see America become very isolationist i fear and become where people saying “American products over all else” and even Toyota, Honda, Nissan, VW, etc are seen as less deserable over American made brands even if this is bad for us.

我覺得這取決於誰贏得大選。如果特朗普獲勝，我擔心美國會變得非常孤立，人們會説“美國產品高於一切”，甚至豐田、本田、日產、大眾等品牌也會被認為不如美國製造的品牌，即使這對我們不利。

melkorsring

capital doesn’t lose, just people

america’s china ev policy will ensure car manufacturers will continue to be able to print money off american backs long into china’s ev age

資本不會輸，輸的只是人

美國的中國電動汽車政策將確保汽車製造商在中國電動汽車時代可以繼續長期從美國人身上印鈔票