【科技】大眾、寶馬和奔馳被中國電動汽車遠遠甩在身後_風聞

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評論原創翻譯：

Cyclonit

Lets not forget that this is by design of our economic system. Our system does not reward long term strategy. It only cares about short term investments. Investors can change horses any time. So why bother working on long term projects at all?

Also, the same investors that earned money by investing into European industries can pivot to betting against it, when the time comes and still make money out of it.

我們不要忘記，這正是我們的經濟制度所設計的。我們的制度不獎勵長期戰略。它只關心短期投資。投資者可以隨時換馬。那麼，為什麼還要費心去做長期項目呢？

此外，那些通過投資歐洲工業賺錢的投資者可以在時機成熟時轉向做空歐洲工業，並仍然從中賺錢。

turbo_dude

In the Anglo world I’d agree with that “no long term” but this is Germany you’re talking about where “change” is a dirty word. Everything is for the long term.

在盎格魯世界，我同意“不是為了長期的”，但在德國，“改變”是一個骯髒的詞。一切都是為了長遠。

ButcherBob

The Netherlands

These two things dont correlate at all? Changes sometimes are needed for long term economic growth. Besides, hes talking about investors not governments.

這兩件事完全沒有關聯？長期經濟增長有時需要變革。此外，他説的是投資者而不是政府。

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lulzmachine

Sweden

China has an extremely rapid pace of change. Go there twice with 5 years between and you won’t recognize it anymore. But the government is investing super heavily into long term success for its companies and people

中國的變革速度極其迅速。去中國兩次，中間間隔 5 年，你就認不出來了。中國政府正在為企業和人民的長期成功投入巨資。

FeeRemarkable886

Sweden

They built subway stations to nowhere and then built cities around them… That’s some sim city shit.

他們把地鐵站建到了一個不知名的地方，然後在周圍建起了城市……這簡直就是在玩模擬城市

dubiouscoffee

USA

That’s how New York was built too actually. There are elevated rail lines to “nowhere” that became various dense neighborhoods.

事實上，紐約也是這樣建造的。通往“不知名的地方”的高架鐵路變成了各種密集的街區。

TheBunkerKing

Lapland

Yup, even Helsinki has done subway and local train station in the middle of fields or forests in anticipation of future growth. City planning has always been about long term, in every place cities are built in.

I work in a city planning office in a Finnish municipality, we’ve got roadmaps from 2020 to what the town is going to be like in 2050 in place, and every zoning decision is made according to the road map.

是的，甚至赫爾辛基也在田野或森林中修建了地鐵站和地方火車站，以應對未來的發展。城市規劃總是着眼於長遠，每個地方的城市建設都是如此。

我在芬蘭一個市政府的城市規劃辦公室工作，我們已經繪製了從2020年到2050年城市發展的路線圖，每一個分區決策都是根據路線圖做出的。

vergorli

its easy to change fast if you don’t have to care for mere annoyances like human rights or property rights. Or if you can just make the annoying billionaires disappear if they get too much influence.

如果你不必關心人權或財產權等煩人的問題，就很容易快速改變。或者，如果你可以讓那些煩人的億萬富翁在影響力太大時消失。

GayoMagno

Yeah, much better to let you billionaires buy the biggest communication app in the world and let him spout random racist non sensical shit 24/7.

Not like im defending China here but I don’t really consider the US to be the golden paragon and an example to follow.

是的，最好讓你們這些億萬富翁買下世界上最大的通訊應用，然後讓他全天候隨意吐出種族主義、無意義的廢話。

我並不是在為中國辯護，但我真的不認為美國是黃金典範和學習榜樣。

3f3nd1

Doesnt China subsidize its car industry heavily as it did with Solar?

中國不是像對太陽能那樣大力補貼汽車工業嗎？

flatfisher

France

Germany (and every European country with car manufacturers) subsidizes their car industry heavily too, just more indirectly.

德國（以及每個擁有汽車製造商的歐洲國家）也大力補貼其汽車工業，只是更加間接。

Henrarzz

Not just Europeans, every country is subsidizing car manufacturing, be it Italy, USA, Germany, Japan, China or Korea. China just decided to outspend them all

不僅是歐洲，每個國家都在補貼汽車製造，無論是意大利、美國、德國、日本、中國還是韓國。中國只是決定花更多的錢

Alendro95

FIAT/FCA group (now Stellantis) received something like 220 billion from Italy till today

菲亞特/FCA集團（現為Stellantis）截至目前從意大利獲得了約2200億歐元的資金

bl4ckhunter

Lazio

The difference is that Chinese companies are state controlled so the companies have to take that money and invest it in making the transition actually happen, we just give them a payday in the form of purchase subsidies and rebates and the car makers hike prices and use the extra profits to shit out more overpriced SUVs, line the pockets of the executives and delocalize.

不同之處在於，中國的公司是由國家控制的，因此公司必須把錢拿出來投資，實現真正的轉型，而我們只是以購買補貼和回扣的形式給他們發工資，汽車製造商則提高價格，用額外的利潤生產出更多價格過高的 SUV，填滿高管的腰包，然後撤出本土。

tnatmr

Italy

The way German companies are subsidized and the way Chinese companies are subsidized aren’t comparable in the slightest.

德國企業的補貼方式和中國企業的補貼方式根本沒有可比性。

FatFaceRikky

How is Germany subsidizing car companies?

德國如何補貼汽車公司？

herb28g

Company car privileges („Dienstwagenprivileg“) would be such a case, for example. And special forms of funding such as the scrappage bonus („Abwrackprämie“) and of course funding for EVs (currently suspended, but that doesn’t have to mean forever).

例如，公司汽車特權（“Dienstwagenprivileg”）。還有特殊形式的資金，例如報廢獎金（“Abwrackprämie”），當然還有對電動汽車的資助（目前已暫停，但這並不意味着永遠停止）。

FatFaceRikky

Those are for all cars, not only for domestically made cars

這些適用於所有汽車，不僅適用於國產汽車

herb28g

But since the majority of people in Germany buy German cars, it is beneficial.

但是，由於德國大多數人都購買德國汽車，因此這也是有利於國產的。

what_the_actual_luck

Germany

Yes. And clickbait is easier than real journalism. The “only” thing that differentiates European and US cars from China are the very excellent batteries, which will sooner or later also be done by western industries. Everything else is still significantly superior. Especially in the luxury segment. People underestimate the knowledge that goes into metal forming and manufacturing. China has been trying to catch up for over 50 years, yet they did not equalize yet.

Subsidies of up to 140% of battery costs are per definition part of subsidy-war. Dont bother

是的。設置點擊誘餌比真正的新聞報道更容易。歐洲和美國汽車與中國汽車的“唯一”區別在於其非常出色的電池，而這遲早也會由西方工業來完成。西方汽車在其他方面仍有明顯優勢。尤其是在豪華車領域。人們低估了金屬成型和製造方面的知識。50 多年來，中國一直在努力迎頭趕上，但至今仍未追上。

高達電池成本 140% 的補貼，顧名思義就是補貼戰的一部分。沒必要太在意

PennyPana98

Italy

Ok, but I can afford a Chinese car and not a German one. And like me many others.

好吧，但我買得起中國車，買不起德國車。還有很多像我一樣的人。